An Interview with Sakya Trizin:
A Buddhist Essence Teaching
First published as "Conversation with the Sakya Lama" by Raymond and Marie Steiner.
Simply Living (No. 12, 1982) and the Tibetan Review, November 1982.
"WE MADE MANY PREDICTIONS AND THEY ALL SAID THE SAME THING"
Q. Your Holiness, would you give us an account of your life?
A. Perhaps I should begin by telling you what happened before my birth. The title 'Sakya
Trizin' means 'Holder of the Throne of Sakya' and my grandfather had been the last Trizin
in our family. For the sake of having a son, my parents went on a pilgrimage to Mount
Kailash, to Nepal, to Lhasa and to South Tibet, but there was never any sign that a son
might be born. They had given up all hope when they reached Nalanda Monastery, an
important Sakya Monastery north of Lhasa and told the monastery's abbots of this. The
leaders were shocked and very worried, as our family lineage, the Dolma Palace line,
held the tradition of the most esoteric Sakya teachings and moreover, most of the heads
of the monastery had received these teachings from my grandfather, so to them, the
continuation of our family was most important. They urged my parents not to give up
hope, and moreover they gave up one of their best teachers, Lama Ngawang Lodro
Rinchen, so that he could travel with my parents. This was something of a loss to the
monastery, but he was a very powerful Lama who could perform all the different rituals,
and in particular, his prayers had caused children to be born to women who had been
unable to have children before. After this he always travelled with my father, and together
they performed many rituals and prayed for a son to be born. At last it became clear that
the prayers had been answered and my parents halted at Tsedong, a small, pleasant town
near Shigatse. It had been decided that it was a good place for a child to be born, partly
perhaps for its reputation as the birthplace of many great Sakya teachers such as
Ngachang Chenpo Ngawang Kunga Rinchen. In fact, I was born in the same room as
A further problem arose: a succession of astrologically inauspicious days. As my
parents wanted me to be born on an auspicious day, many more prayers were said. And
I was not born on a bad day: I was born on the first day of the eight Tibetan month
(September 7, 1945), which was considered quite good. It is said that rainbows were seen
over our house, and that an image of Guru Rinpoche was then offered to my father, which
were good signs, but of course I didn't know anything of this.
Q. What happens when a child is born into your Holiness' family?
A. The very first thing, as soon as the child is born, is that the letter DHIH, the letter of
Manjusri who represents speech and wisdom is written on the child's tongue with a special
nectar made of saffron and many other things.
Q. When did you first go to Sakya?
A. That was later. I am told that my first birthday was celebrated in Tsedong, and that
after this, our family went on a short pilgrimage to the famous shrine of Guru Rinpoche
in the south of Tibet. After that we returned to Sakya, where my second birthday was
celebrated rather elaborately.
Q. Your parents died when you were quite young, I think?
A. Yes. I cannot remember my mother at all. She died when I was two or three but I
remember her sister, my aunt. She was like a mother to me. My father died in 1950
when I was five. That I remember very well.
Q. How old were you when your studies started?
A. This was when I was five. In that same year, Lama Ngawang Lodro Rinchen gave me
my first lesson in the alphabet. We went to the special Manjusri shrine in Sakya, where he
gave me the consecrations of Manjusri and Achala, and then a very ancient copy of the
Tibetan alphabet written in gold was produced. This was especially for the use of the sons
of our family. Then Lama Ngawang read the letters in front of the Manjusri image and I
repeated them after him. This, of course, was the ceremony. After that I had another
teacher for reading.
Q. Did your spiritual studies begin then too?
A. Yes, I had to memorize and recite prayers to Manjusri. I remember all this very
clearly. After the ceremony, I was taught spelling seven hours a day, six days a week
for nearly two years. We Tibetans say that the more you practice spelling, the faster
you will be able to read.
Q. Were you receiving religious teaching at this time too?
A. I had received consecrations frequently. In fact, I am told that I received the
blessings of Amitayus for long life from my father almost as soon as I was born. When
I was four, I received the Consecrations of Vajra Kila (Dorje Phurba) from my father.
I remember that also very clearly. I was sitting in the lap of a very dear personal
attendant, and I remember, too, when my father gave me the wrathful part of the
Consecration, he was wearing the hat and constume of a black hat dancer, and performed
the ritual dances. I even remembered who played the musical instruments then!
Q. Where did this all take place?
A. In the Dolma Palace. The Dolma Palace is a big palace with three main shrine rooms
and many other rooms. Altogether it has about eighty rooms, and all the teachings were
given in one of these shrine rooms.
Q. Did you ever go out of the Palace?
A. Oh yes, but not often into town. There was a very extensive open area of fields
around the Palace, and the river ran quite near. I used to go out there with an
attendant to play with other children when I was not studying.
Q. When did your religious studies begin in earnest?
A. I began to study reading in the summer of 1950, and in the autumn, I went to Ngor
Monastery where I received the Esoteric Path-Result (Lamdre) teaching. My Guru for
this was Lama Ngawang Lodro Shenphen Nyingpo, Abbot of the Khangsar Abbacy of
Q. How do you remember him?
A. He was a very holy, very spiritually advanced Lama, always very calm, very slow in
movement, and he did everything very perfectly. He was then very old. He gave the
teachings in his own room to a very few people, maybe thirty in all. At that time, I was
very small and could barely read. I remember I sat in the lap of Khangsar Shabdrung,
the successor to the Abbot, who held out the pages in front of me so I could read the
introductory prayers each day. While the Abbot was teaching the Mahayana part, I
could understand it quite well, but I could not understand the Tantric section very well.
I spent much time with the Abbot, and in the meantime, I continued to practice spelling
and reading by going through some biographies. I stayed about four months in Ngor
for the teaching, and then returned to Sakya.
The following year, I visited Lhasa for the first time and met His Holiness the Dalai
Lama who confirmed me as 'Sakya Trizin designate'. I spent four months in Lhasa visiting
many of the monasteries there and in central Tibet. We visited Nalanda and Samye also,
then returned through South Tibet where I visited many holy places and monasteries
During these visits, I was hard at work memorizing the Hevajratantra which is the
basic text for Sakya religious practice. Then, early in 1952, I was enthroned at a simple
ceremony, as I was then too young for the full enthronement which came later. I had to
recite the full Hevajratantra in front of the monk officials and teachers of the Tantric
monastery in Sakya: this was considered a test of ability which all monks had to take.
I was then only six, but I am glad to say that I passed by reciting it correctly. After that,
I attended the monthly recitation of that Tantra by all the monks of the Tantric monastery:
it was the first ceremony I attended there. Later I left Sakya to attend the Enthronement
of the Panchen Lama in Shigatse, which lasted for several weeks. This time I travelled
with the full dignity and entourage of a Sakya Trizin.
I returned to Ngor that summer to receive that Esoteric Path-Result teachings from
Khangsar Khenpo, during which he stopped frequently to give other teachings, such as
the instructions on Vajra-Yogini, the Zenpa Zidel and many other important instructions.
In all, the teaching lasted for a year until I had to return to Sakya, at the request of the
Chinese, for some talks. Early in 1953, I again returned to Ngor to resume studies there,
but unfortunately, Khangsar Khenpo passed away just before he had finished the whole
teaching and the teaching was concluded by his successor. I returned to Sakya before
September, as that year, I witnessed the yearly ceremony and ritual dance of Vajra Kila.
It is always held in the seventh Tibetan month. Then I began the meditative retreat of
Hevajra at the Dolma Palace.
Q. Was this your first retreat?
A. Not quite. During the time I received the first Lamdre teaching, I had performed
the retreat of Amitayus and then I gave the consecration to my Guru, Khangsar Khenpo.
Also, in the interval between the two Lamdre teachings, I performed the retreat of
Bhutadamara, a special form of Vajrapani, for one month. But this was the first major
retreat I performed. During the retreat, we had many difficulties. I had a very strict
teacher and I was allowed to see only my aunt, my two servants and my teacher. Though
I myself remained quite well throughout, my teacher got very ill following the first half
of the retreat - very, very ill and we had a difficult time because of his sickness.
Nevertheless, the retreat ended successfully. I say 'we' because my sister was performing
the same retreat at the same time, but in a different room, some distance away. Of
course, we were not allowed to meet, but we communicated by writing notes.
After the retreat, my teacher remained ill for some months and during this period
I had a long holiday! I became rather wild and took to wandering off and doing as I
pleased. My aunt was a little worried and appointed a temporary teacher under whom
I had to memorize the texts of the Vajra-Kila, both for daily practice and for the long
Then that summer of 1954, Khangsar Khenpo's successor was invited to Sakya to
give the Druthab Kuntu, a collection of Tantric meditations and teachings collected and
edited by the first Khyentse Rinpoche. This lasted for three or four months and was a
very pleasant occasion. The entire teaching was held in the summer house in our park
at Dolma Palace, and Khangsar Shadrung taught in a very leisurely fashion. By this time,
my teacher had recovered from his illness and taught me the ritual dances that go with
the Kila practices. In September, I attended the month-long Kila ceremonies. I was not
the Master of Ceremonies that year, but I took part in the dances and attended nearly
everyday of the ceremonies. Next I received the Mahakala teachings from Lama
Ngawang Lodro Rinchen, and went straight into retreat to meditate on that Protector for
one month. I received more Mahakala teachings from Lama Ngawang, and the Thangtong
Nying-Gyud from Drupchen Rinpoche, a very great Nyingma Yogi and an incarnation of
the Tibetan saint, Thangtong Gyalpo. I then entered the retreat of Vajra-Kila for three
months. During this time, my sister, who was then sixteen, was giving the three month
teaching of Lamdre. She had never done the Kila retreat, so I was asked to give her the
consecration when I finished my retreat. This was the first major consecration I gave.
About sixty monks were to receive the Lamdre, but many other people arrived for the Kila
Consecration: about one thousand, I think. That was all in my ninth year.
Q. How do you remember Lama Ngawang Lodro Rinchen?
A. He was the Lama who caused me to have human birth. He was a very wonderful
Lama, very strict in his observance of Vinaya rules of discipline, and never would eat
after lunch, nor wear skins, nor shirts with sleeves. His arms were always bare, no matter
how cold it was and no matter how cold it was in Sakya - and Sakya is really a very cold
place - his room was always as warm as if centrally heated. In his house, we could keep
flowers, we could keep water. Elsewhere, we could never keep water during the winter: if
we put water in a bottle, it would freeze within a few minutes and crack the bottle!
Q. Your Holiness had a strenuous childhood. What relaxations did you enjoy?
A. I used to enjoy going out into the fields around the Palace. The river ran quite near
the Palace and I used to love going there. I remember when I attended the Kila ceremony,
I would be escorted home by attendants from the town of Sakya itself. Then immediately
they left, immediately they were out of sight, I would tear off all my ceremonial clothes
and go down to the river in the simplest attire. I used to like to bathe, but even in
September, the water was very, very cold, dreadfully cold. Then sometimes I would like
to go out to the summer house in the park. We had an old gramophone, the kind that
you wind up and a pile of old records (mostly British military marches, but also some
Tibetan folk songs) which we enjoyed listening to.
Q. Did your Holiness visit Lhasa again?
A. Yes, in the summer of 1955, I received many esoteric teachings from Lama Ngawang
Lodro Rinchen, and that autumn I went again to Lhasa. That winter, I received some
short teachings from His Holiness the Dalai Lama. But Lhasa had changed. When I first
visited in 1951, I saw a beautiful early, traditional Tibetan capital. Even then the Chinese
were arriving; a few Chinese were to be seen in the streets. But on my second visit in
1955, I drove into Lhasa from Shigatse by jeep - by Chinese jeep! And Lhasa itself was
full of jeeps and lorries; there were Chinese people and goods everywhere.
I stayed about six months in Lhasa, giving some small teachings and performing a
sacred dance as a prayer there. At this time, I first met Venerable Jamyang Khyentse
Rinpoche and stayed quite near him, visiting him frequently. I received many Sakya
teachings from him, but most of the teachings I received from him were actually
Nyingmapa. Early in the following year, I made another visit to south Tibet and then
returned to Lhasa where I had to sit on the Chinese Preparatory Committee, along
with His Holiness the Dalai Lama and His Holiness Gyalwa Karmapa and other prominent
Tibetans. By then the Chinese intentions were becoming quite clear, but we felt that it
was best to try to control the situation as best we could, without violence. In any case,
our country was not a powerful one in any military sense.
I returned to Sakya in the summer and later in the year, Khyentse Rinpoche came
to Sakya. That winter, His Holiness the Dalai Lama went to India on a pilgrimage for
the Buddha Jayanti celebrations and I met him in Shigatse, on his way to India. A little
later, I also went to India on a pilgrimage, visiting the four most holy shrines of Buddhist
pilgrimage in India: Bodh Gaya, Lumbini, Sarnath and Kushinagar. I stayed in India
about two months and then returned to Sakya. In the following year, 1957, I again
performed the meditative retreat of Vajra-Kila, and again received the Lamdre teaching,
this time from the Abbot of the Tantric Monastery in Sakya, the Venerable Jampal
Q. When did your Holiness' full enthronement occur?
A. That was after the New Year early in 1959. It was an event requiring much preparation.
At the end of 1958, the great sacred dance of the Protectors of Religion
was held, at which I presided. Then, at the New Year, the enthronement was held.
Q. How was this performed?
A. In the Tantric Monastery, there is a big courtyard in front of a temple with golden
roofs. In this temple, the Spiritual Throne of Sakya Pandita is kept, on which is placed
the Temporal Throne of Chogyal Phagpa. I had to sit on top of these and teach a text
written by Sakya Pandita, called the Sage's Intent. The teaching, which included a little
explanation, lasted for three days. After this, offerings were made by His Holiness the
Dalai Lama's representatives, by representatives of the Panchen Lama, of Sakya, of
many other Tibetans and also of the Chinese, on this occassion. After this a great
procession is held.
Q. This must have been shortly before Your Holiness came to India?
A. Yes, we left for India almost immediately afterwards.
Q. How did you get out of Tibet?
A. It was very complicated. At that time, the tension in Tibet was very high and people
talked of nothing but the Khampas and the Chinese, the Chinese and the Khampas. We
made many predictions and they all said the same thing: that Tibet would be lost and
many very dreadful things would happen. But we still waited, until one day, news came
from an Indian broadcast that there had been a battle in Lhasa and His Holiness the
Dalai Lama had escaped to the southeast of Lhasa. Then we hurried. I was unable to leave
directly from Sakya because there were many Chinese spies. So I let it be known that I
was going into retreat at the hermitage not far from Sakya. I arrived there safely and sent
word to my aunt and sister to join me. From there we left by night.
Q. How long did it take?
A. It is not far from Sakya to the Sikkimese border. We got there safely in five days.
Our party was of only eight or nine people and, because of the circumstances, I was
unable to bring any of the very many precious and holy things we had in Sakya.
In Sikkim, I spent a month in Lachen where, I remember, I began to learn English,
and soon after I could pick out simple words. Then a message came from Khyentse
Rinpoche, that he was very ill in Gangtok, so I went there. The message, in fact, was
brought by a Tibetan doctor who is now my father-in-law, although then I didn't know
him! Khyentse Rinpoche was very unwell and I said many prayers for him, but he
became weaker and passed away in July 1959.
After this, I went down to Darjeeling and then, in winter I made a pilgrimage through
India and Nepal, returning to Kalimpong and Darjeeling in early 1960. I spent that year
and the next two years studying philosophy under a very learned Sakya abbot called
Khenpo Rinche. You see, although I had received many teachings and performed many
retreats in Tibet, I had never had time to study Mahayana philosophy very much, so in
these three years, I learned Madhyamika philosophy, Logic, Prajnaparamita, Abhidharma
and other studies. Then at the end of 1962, there was a border war between India and
China so we left Darjeeling and came to Mussoorie.
The following year I spent recovering from tuberculosis, but at the end of 1963, I
was able to attend the Religious Conference in Dharamsala and in March 1964, we
founded the Sakya Centre to function as our main monastery for the time being, located
down at the foot of Mussoorie. I went back to Mussoorie to take up studies with the
Venerable Khenpo Appey, a very great Sakya teacher. Primarily, I studied the Tantras
under him and received many profound explanations he had received from his own
teacher, the first Deshung Rinpoche, the great Tibetan mystic. Later I studied some
Madhyamika philosophy under him too, and in addition, poetry, grammar and arithmetic.
In 1965, I attended the Second Religious conference in Bodh Gaya. In 1966, I went on
a pilgrimage to Sanchi, the caves at Ajanta and Ellora, but otherwise, my studies continued
uninterrupted until 1967 when Khenpo Appey went to Sikkim. In the winter of 1967, I
gave the Lamdre for the first time at Sarnath, when I was 22. About four hundred monks
and perhaps one hundred lay Buddhists attended. Early in the following year, we started
our Sakya Rehabilitation Settlement at Puruwala for nine hundred refugees from Sakya.
The place was chosen for a physical similarity to Sakya, although of course, it was much
Perhaps I should mention a succession of Western friends who had stayed with me
during these years, helping with our rehabilitation work, and from whom I learnt to speak
In 1970, a tragic motor accident deprived us of the Venerable Thutop Tulku, a
young and very capable monk who had organized the Centre and the Settlement,
practically single-handed. Since I now knew English fairly well, I took over the work
of administration. That autumn, I moved to the Sakya Centre and since then I have
lived in Rajpur. 1971 and 1972 were good years, as the Venerable Chogye Tri
Rinpoche stayed with us in Rajpur, giving a major collection of consecrations, the
Gyude Kuntu of Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo. In the spring of 1974, I married and
soon after left on my first visit to the west. For four months, I visited Switzerland,
England, Canada, the United States and Japan, giving religious teachings and meeting
Tibetan immigrants and Western Buddhists. On November 19th, 1974, my son,
Doongsay Rinpoche, was born. The following spring, we went on pilgrimage to Chogye
Rinpoche's newly completed monastery in Lumbini, Nepal, after which I spent a
month teaching at our Sakya monastery in Bodhnath, Kathmandu. That summer, my
aunt, who had brought me up and upon whom all the decisions and work had rested
during my childhood, passed away, to our great sorrow. In 1976, I taught in Darjeeling.
I taught the Druthab Kuntu in Ladakh, Kashmir, and undertook a teaching tour of the
settlements in south India.
Q. And next?
A. I very much look forward to teaching in the West again.
Q. Your Holiness, whom do you regard as your main Gurus?
A. My main Guru was Khangsar Khenpo, from whom I received the Lamdre. Then
my father; Khyentse Rinpoche; Khangsar Shabdrung Rinpoche; Lama Ngawang Lodro
Rinchen; and Sakya Khenpo Jampal Sangpo. Then to a lesser degree, Phende Khenpo,
Drupchen Rinpoche and many others.
"IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE FUTURE, LOOK FOR IT IN YOUR PRESENT ACTIONS"
Q. Your Holiness, why should we practice Buddhist teaching?
A. I would like to answer this by describing the three types of persons who practice
Buddhism. Generally speaking, from the smallest insect on up to the most intelligent
human being, there is agreement: all want happiness and all wish to avoid suffering.
The majority of human beings do not understand what the cause of suffering is, or
what the cause of happiness, but in the teachings of Buddhism and in their practice,
you will find the answers to these questions.
Q. What are the causes of suffering and happiness?
A. The Ratnavali of Nagarjuna says, "Every action arising from desire, aversion and
ignorance produces suffering; every action arising from the absence of desire, aversion
and ignorance produces happiness."
Now, as I said, there are three kinds of people. Like all other beings, the lowest
person wants happiness and wants neither suffering nor rebirth in the lower realms
of existence, so he practices Buddhism to create the causes of rebirth in the human
realm or in the heavenly realms of the gods. He does not have the power or the
courage to leave Worldly Existence completely. He only wants the best parts of
Worldly Existence, he wants to avoid the worst parts, and that is why he practices the
Buddhist religion: in order to get a higher rebirth.
Now the middling sort of person understands that the whole of Worldly Existence,
no matter where one is born, is suffering by its nature, just as fire is hot by its nature.
He wants to get out of it altogether and attain Nirvana, the state which is entirely away
The highest person realizes that, just as he himself does not want to suffer, and
does want happiness, so also do all living beings have the same fears and wishes.
He knows that, since we have born again and again from beginningless time in Worldly
Existence, there is not a single sentient being who has not been our mother and father
at one time or another. Since we are that close to all sentient beings, the best person
is one who practices Buddhism in order to remove all these countless beings from
Q. How should we practice?
A. At the beginning of all Buddhist practice come two very important things: meditation
of the Four Recollections and taking Refuge.
The Four Recollections are of the difficulty of getting human birth, of the
impermanence of all Samsaric things, of the sufferings of Worldly Existence
and of the law of Karma, which means of Cause-and-Result.
Generally speaking, it is very difficult to be born as a human being. We think that
there are many human beings, but if we compare our numbers to those of other beings,
we realize how few we are. (For instance, in each of our own bodies there are millions
of germs, microbes, viruses and so on.) So statistically the chances of attaining a human
life are very poor. In any case, there are many places of rebirth which are of no use to
a being, as he will be unable to meet with the Buddha's teaching in them. There are
eight unfavorable places of birth: the realms of hell, of hungry ghosts and of animals,
of barbarians, places where religious teaching is incorrect, where there is no Buddha,
certain God realms and the realm of dumb people. Yet even if we get a human rebirth,
there are ten necessary pre-conditions: it is necessary to be born in a place to which
the Buddha has come, a place in which the Buddha actually taught the religion, a place
where the teaching is still alive, where the teachers are kind enough to teach, and where
there are still Buddhist followers such as monks and lay followers. There are also five
external circumstances required of oneself: one must not have committed any of the
five limitless downfalls, as this would create a great obstruction.
This difficulty is explained in other ways, also. The cause of human birth is the
performance of virtuous acts and keeping correct moral conduct, and since very
few people are aware of this, human birth is rare by its cause. By nature, it is much
easier to be born elsewhere. The difficulty is illustrated by an example: imagine a
blind tortoise living in the ocean. Floating on the surface of the ocean is a yoke. The
tortoise comes to the surface only once a century, yet he stands a better chance of
putting his neck in that yoke than we do of being born in human form.
The recollections is of impermanence: the Buddha said, "The three realms of
existence are like a cloud in autumn: the birth and death of beings is like a dancer's
movement; a being's life is like a waterfall, like a flash of lightning in the sky; it
never stops even for a single moment and, once it starts, it goes inevitably to its
conclusion." Everything is changing: outside the seasons change; spring gives way
to summer, to autumn and winter. Children grow into adults, adults become old;
hair turns from black to white, the skin shrivels and life fades. Isn't that so?
Everything changes constantly. There is not one single place where one can escape
impermanence. Since everything changes constantly, one never knows when the
end will come. One may be in perfect health today and yet die tomorrow. We know
two things of death: it is certain to come and we have no idea when it will come.
It could come at any moment and there are many things, internal and external, that
can cause it. Thus, if you want to practice Buddhism, you must realize that it is
necessary to start immediately. You can never be sure of a tomorrow in which to do
Q. How does this help us? The practice of Buddhism will not make us less impermanent.
A. It will not make us less impermanent, but it will give us the certainty that, in our
coming lives, we will have less suffering. The practice of Dharma, of religion, means
- briefly speaking; avoiding non-virtuous acts; and performing virtuous acts. When
you behave in this way, it is obvious that you will be happier in the future.
Q. Does it mean that, since we expect less from this life, we will also suffer less?
A. Yes, that too, but more important, by thinking about impermanence we will be
moved to practice Dharma quickly. The thought of impermanence helps us to speed
up our path a great deal.
Q. What are the six realms and their sufferings?
A. As I said before, no matter where you are in Worldly Existence, you are suffering.
Suffering is of three kinds: the suffering of suffering, the suffering of change, and the
suffering of conditioned existence. The suffering of suffering is when you have a
headache or something like that. It is simply suffering which everyone accepts and
thinks of as suffering. Then the suffering of change is the suffering undergone through
perception of change. You are with friends today but you have to depart; when you go,
you meet enemies. Nothing stays, and seeing this, we experience the suffering of
change. The suffering of conditioned existence means the unsatisfactoriness of worldly
activity. We do many things in the world but never are really satisfied. There are always
more things to be done, which we cannot do and this is their frustration which is suffering.
The lowest of the six realms are the Hell-realms, of excessive heat and cold, and
the 'neighbouring hells' which are also states of great suffering, and which last for
incredible periods of time. The cause of these states of suffering is hatred. Then there
is the realm of hungry spirits who are tantalized by food and drink they cannot swallow.
This is the result of desire and stinginess. The animal realm is well known to us and
birth there is caused by ignorance. The human realm, too, we know. The fifth realm is
the demi-gods who are constantly engaged in war with the gods, out of jealousy, and
who will thus naturally suffer in their next lives. The gods seem very comfortable.
They enjoy great pleasures and immensely long lives, but sooner or later experience
old age and death. As they have done nothing but enjoy themselves, they will not have
created the merit to achieve high rebirth and will fall into states of great suffering.
The three lower worlds beings experience the suffering of suffering exclusively,
humans experience all three, but chiefly the first two, while the gods suffer mainly
the last two.
The last of the Four Recollections is of Karma, the law of Cause and Effect. In
the Buddhist view, everything we have today and everything we do has a cause in
the past. In fact it is said that if you want to know what you did in the past, you
should look at your present situation; whether you are rich or poor, ugly or beautiful,
this is the result of past actions, as the future, whether happy or otherwise depends
on what you do today. Everything you do today will produce a result in the future.
If a tree's root is medicinal, the flowers, the leaves, the bark and everything that
grows on the tree, will be medicinal, and like this, an act that grows out of the
opposite of desire, aversion and ignorance will produce happiness. If the root of
the tree is poisonous, then everything that grows on the tree will be poison, just as
acts of desire, aversion and ignorance produce suffering.
Q. Is there a practice based on the law of cause and effect?
A. The law of cause and effect, Karma, is one of the main teachings of Buddhism.
It means that you should always practice virtuous things, since non-virtuous acts
will always bring suffering in this life as well as in the next. If you don't want
suffering you should avoid its cause; if there is no cause, there will be no result,
just as, if the root of thr tree is removed, there will be no fruit. If you want happiness
you must be very careful about the causes of happiness, just as if you want the tree
to grow you must take care of its root. If the root is defective, the tree will not grow.
So before you begin any meditation you should contemplate these Four Recollections
very carefully and then you should take Refuge. Taking Refuge marks the difference
between Buddhists and non-Buddhists: it means that you have surrendered, you have
Q. In what way do we surrender?
A. You surrender yourself. As I said, Worldly Existence is full of sufferings. There are
many which are less obvious and which common people do not notice. We wish to be free
from these sufferings but at present we don't have full knowledge or full power to do so,
so there is nothing much that we ourselves can do about it for the present. Now, when
you undertake an important act you seek help from a powerful person: if you are sick,
you consult a doctor and if you have trouble with the law, you go to a lawyer. So, when
you want to be saved from the sufferings of Worldly Existence, you have to take Refuge
in the Triple Gem, which is the real helper in this undertaking. The Triple Gem consists
of the Buddha who is the guide, the Dharma (or Religion) which is one's own Path and
the Sangha, which means one's own spiritual companions. However, the final Refuge
is only the Buddha. The Dharma or teaching has two parts: the Teaching and the
Realization. The Teaching is the Tripitaka (Sutras, Abhidharma and Vinaya Discourses),
but this is like a boat you use to cross a river: when you get to the other side, you
simply leave it behind. The Realization has also two parts, the Truth of Cessation and
the Truth of the Path. The first of these is void, shunyata, so it cannot be a final Refuge,
while the Path, being itself impermanent, also cannot be the final Refuge. As for the
Sangha, even its very highest members are still on the Path so they cannot be a final
Refuge. So really, the Refuge is in the Buddha only, but we always take Refuge in
Buddha, Dharma and Sangha.
Q. Does this mean that the Buddha is permanent?
A. Yes, yes. The Buddha is of course permanent. The Dharmakaya 'the Truth Body'
is beyond permanence and impermanence and the Sambhogakaya, the 'Bliss-body',
always exists. The Nirmanakaya, the 'Apparent-body' is the form the Buddha takes
on this earth, and it does have the appearance of impermanence, though it is always
present somewhere, if not here.
Q. What is the actual practice of taking Refuge?
A. Taking Refuge is performed differently according to the intentions of the three
types of persons who perform it, although the three causes - fear, faith and compassion
- are the same. The actual practice is the recitation of the prayer of Refuge. The
simplest prayer says, "I take Refuge in the Buddha, I take Refuge in the Dharma,
I take Refuge in the Sangha." A more elaborate prayer says, "I take Refuge in the
Buddha, Dharma, Sangha until I get Enlightenmentl by the merit of doing this may
all beings attain Buddha's stage."
But mere recitation of the prayer with your voice is not sufficient; it must be recited
from the heart. If you want to take refuge from the rain, it won't help you to say "house,
house" or "umbrella, umbrella". You have to find a house, you have to go and get an
umbrella, and if you do this, you will be saved from the rain without any doubt. So it is
necessary to take Refuge very seriously, with full brief and, moreover, you must think
that, no matter what happens, you will seek the Refuge of only the Triple Gem, and
that you will always remain under it. Reciting the prayer in this way and with this
intention is the first practice of Buddhism and one of the foundations of all practice.
Taking Refuge like this distinguishes the Buddhist from the non-Buddhist.
Although recitation like this is sufficient to make you a Buddhist, it is common for
a short ceremony to be performed in front of the spiritual guide. He will say the words
of the prayer, which the disciple will repeat after him and also promise to uphold the
basic moral teachings of Buddhism. From that time onwards, you should continue to
recite the prayer daily and with great devotion.
Q. Is animal rebirth really possible for a human?
A. Yes, definitely. There are many stories of animals being reborn as humans as a
result of good actions and of humans being reborn as animals, too, as a result of
bad actions. Some animals are extremely kind, especially to their offspring, and by
working very hard they can create enough causes to achieve human birth.
Q. Why is human birth so important?
A. Human birth is extremely precious because, through human life, one can achieve
not only higher rebirth and Nirvana, but also one can practice Dharma and get
Q. Does it really help us to think a great deal about impermanence? We always know
we are impermanent, and thinking about it too much might make us miserable.
A. Yes, it does help. Tsongkhapa said, "A prisoner has only one thought: When can
I get out of this prison? This thought arises constantly in his mind. Your thought on
impermanence should be like this; meditate on impermanence until this state of mind
Q. Are we really in the position of prisoners? We often do find things pleasant in
A. But that pleasure isn't permanent, is it? That very pleasure can lead to disaster,
can't it? So we are happy now, but we never know what might happen in the next
hour. There may be a complete disaster. Since pleasure is impermanent, since it is
very uncertain, you are not actually happy because your pleasure is colored with
anxiety. In fact, you are never happy because you don't know what will come and
thus anxiety is inevitable here.
Q. Are the hells metaphors for states or amounts of suffering or do they really
exist as described in the Buddhist 'Sutras'
A. Something really exists, I think. Actually it says in the Sutras that they really
exist much more terribly than they are described because, it says, the Buddha
didn't fully describe them. If he had fully described them, people would have fainted.
Q. How real are they?
A. They are real as the life we have today. Yes, many people think that they are not
real, they are like a dream. But actually, we are happy and unhappy in dreams, just
as real as we are when we are awake. This present experience also is not real, but we
think everything around us is real. Hell is as real as this. Of course hell, also, in
reality, is not real. This is also not real. What is this, then?
Q. Do the Buddhas suffer?
A. No, they never suffer. They are absolutely free from sufferings.
Q. Do they see suffering?
A. They don't see suffering, either.
Q. Then how can they help people who are suffering?
A. They don't suffer. This answer is one of the differences between the Sakya and
Gelugpa orders; the Gelugpas say that the Buddhas do see suffering and we say that
they do not. The man who has awakened from sleep doesn't have dreams. This impure
Samsaric scene of suffering is like a dream, it's like an illusion. So the man who has
awakened from this illusion can never dream again. But, due to his Bodhicitta,
(Enlightenment-mind) and his compassion, help for others spontaneously arises. But
the Buddha himself never sees suffering. For him, all things are transformed into
Q. Is the Buddha involved in 'Karma'?
A. He has achieved the final Karmic result, the highest and best possible results of
Q. Can anything happen to us which is not the result of our own actions?
A. No, never.
Q. Can the Buddha perceive the results of his or other's acts?
A. Yes, for instance, there have been many prophecies, but I don't think the Buddha
sees or perceives these results. Where there is a need for prophecy, it just arises
Q. Can we modify the results of past acts?
A. Certainly. The Vajrasattva meditation can purify many of our past bad actions,
but in any case, the creation of good causes and merit is very helpful and necessary.
"THE BODHISATTVA IS BORN OUT OF LOVE AND COMPASSION"
Q. In the Lesser Way of mere personal salvation (Hinayana). 'Nirvana' (Liberation) is
one of the Four Noble Truths, but it seens less important in the Great Way (Mahayana).
A. Yes. There are two extremes, Worldly Existence and Liberation. The first is
completely involved in suffering and the other has completely gone beyond it. The
Great Way teaches that we should enter neither. Instead, we should follow the
Middle Way which means that, through the power of Wisdom, we do not remain
in Worldly Existence and through the power of compassion we do not remain in
Liberation. If you are in Liberation, you cannot be active, you cannot help other
beings. You yourself will be completely free from suffering but there is nothing
you can do for others. By attaining Enlightenment, which we call the Great
Liberation, you are not only free from suffering but also you can help all sentient
beings immensely. This is the main difference.
Q. What are the principle practices of Mahayana?
A. There are three main practices: Love, Compassion and Enlightenment-mind.
Love means that you wish every sentient being in all the six realms of existence
to be happy, and compassion is the wish that all beings in suffering should part
from suffering. The Enlightenment-mind means, generally speaking, the wish to
attain Enlightenment for the sake of all sentient beings. These three are very
important. Without love and compassion, the Enlightenment-mind will not arise
and, without the Enlightenment-mind, you cannot attain Enlightenment, so therefore
love and compassion are necessary. But of these, compassion is of particular
importance. It is said to be the seed of the Great Way in the beginning; meantime,
it is the water that makes the crops grow, and finally it is the ripening of the fruit.
So, clearly, compassion being in the beginning, the middle and the end, it is very
important. Thus, when Chandrakirti wrote the Madhyamakavatara, he preceded
it with an homage to compassion. "The Buddha," he said, "arises from the
Bodhisattva and the Bodhisattva is born out of love and compassion, but especially
out of compassion." The main cause of the Great Way is compassion.
Q. How should we practice these?
A. First, study is required and then meditation. Visualize those who are dear to you
and wish them to be happy and be free from suffering; then pray that you may have
the power to accomplish this for them, that you will be able to do this. Then meditate
on those who are not dear to you and finally on all sentient beings. In fact, you should
start by thinking of the Four Recollections, then taking Refuge, then visualizing your
mother and thinking very clearly on the most elaborate details of her kindness to you
and the care she had for you. Then realize that she is still suffering and creating the
causes of suffering: at this, the wish to help her will arise and, when you want to help
her out of suffering, the Enlightenment-mind will arise. Finally, pray to the Guru and
Triple Gem that she may be happy and without suffering. Then think of your father,
of other beings and of your worst enemy, too. If this is difficult, remember that hatred
is your real enemy as it will create states of great suffering. Then meditate upon all
beings in the six realms until natural love for them arises without a single reservation.
Finally, wish that any merit accumulated through this may benefit all sentient beings
equally: this sharing of merit concludes every meditation.
Compassion is of the greatest importance and should be practiced as much as
possible. It should be completely instinctive. Avalokiteshvara, the Lord of Compassion,
said in a Sutra, "One who wishes to gain Enlightenment should not practice many
things, but just one, and that one is compassion." The practice of Compassion is of
three kinds. Compassion to beings is to wish that, firstly your mother and then all
other limitless sentient beings should be free from suffering, and the wish that you
may be able to help them. Compassion to Dharmas (conditioned phenomena) is the
wish that sentient beings should abandon the root of suffering, for the root of suffering
is ignorance. The third practice is called objectless compassion. You must realize that,
really, all sentient beings are not there but, nevertheless, through ignorance of the
Real, they are very much tied to the ego and this causes them suffering.
Q. Sentient beings are not really there?
A. No, actually sentient beings are not really there, but through attachment to ego,
there arises illusory appearances. Since you desire certain of these appearances, you
may also have many aversions to others, and so long as you ignorantly believe them
to be really suffering, you remain caught in the closed circle which is Worldly Existence.
The third practice is of Enlightenment-mind, which is a very importance practice.
Generally speaking, there are two Enlightenment-minds, the Relative one and the
Absolute one. The relative Enlightenment-mind also has two parts, called "Wishing"
and "Entering". The Wishing Enlightenment-mind is the aspiration, the wish to gain
Enlightenment for all those sentient beings, and this is like the wish to make a
journey. The Entering Enlightenment-mind is like making that journey: everything
you actually do to achieve the aim of getting Enlightenment is the Entering
Enlightenment-mind; so in fact, this Entering Enlightenment-mind includes all the
Buddhist practices such as the six Paramitas of Giving, Moral Conduct, Patience,
Vigour, Meditation and Wisdom. Then the Absolute Enlightenment-mind is the
understanding of the true nature of all things, which is to say, Emptiness.
To realize this is Absolute Enlightenment-mind.
Q. How should we understand Emptiness?
A. Emptiness is actually only a name. It doesn't mean that all things are empty or
avoid. Every religion tries to explain the true nature of phenomena, but all have come
to the conclusion of something existing, either positively or negatively. Ordinary
people do not think much about phenomena and their origins, but the more spiritual
people do, and wonder why things exist and where they come from. Christianity
concluded that all things are created by God. An early Buddhist school, Sarvastivada,
concluded that, although gross things do not really exist, atoms - so minute that
they can have no sides facing different directions - do exist as basic elements. A more
advanced Buddhist school, the Vijnanavada, decided that ultimately nothing exists
externally and that the things we seem to perceive are only projections of mind.
However, when the Madhyamika philosophers examined phenomena, everything
seemed to disappear and they could find nothing. They were not satisfied by the
explanation that God created everything or that tiny atoms existed, and they
reasoned that it was impossible for subjective mind to exist if objects did not exist,
as mind and objects are as interdependently inseparable as are right and left. So,
if there was no external matter, there could ne no mind. The Madhyamika concluded,
after a very scrupulous examination, that there was nothing, ultimately, that could
be clung to as really existent. Positive things could not be found, negative things
could not be found, nothing could be found which could be accepted as really existing
because the true nature of all things is beyond existence and non-existence, beyond
thought, and inexpressible. Shantideva said, "The Absolute is not an object of mind;
it lies beyond mind. It is something you cannot describe; it is the wonder of the
incomprehensible." However, when we talk about such things, we have to name
them, so we call it Emptiness, but really Emptiness is not something that can be named,
it is inexpressible.
Of course, this is all 'ultimately'. Relatively speaking, the Madhyamika accepts
whatever ordinary people accept, but the writings of this school do show an experience
of the inexpressibility of all things.
Q. Isn't this critique of phenomena merely a logical paradox? Can it have any
bearing on daily life?
A. Of course it does. When you realize the Ultimate Truth, you are free from suffering.
We are in suffering because we haven't awakened from the relative illusion. We are
wrapped up in this relative illusion and, due to this, we hold things as really holding them
as real, we act and hence suffer and create many more causes of suffering.
Q. So the real point is attachment?
A. When you are no longer attached to things as real, you create no further causes
Q. Is this a subject of meditation?
A. There are many meditations on this in the Greater Way, and especially the Tantric
Way. We have to realize that sufferings come from bad Karma, which comes from the
defilements and that the defilements arise from ego. If we are deluded, we may think
a coil of rope is a snake; we do this in supposing that a self exists, When you have
'self', there must be 'other'; when there is 'other', there is desire for 'self' and aversion
to 'other', and this leads further into delusion and the obscuration of the true nature.
The Enlightenment-mind is the best way to uproot the mistaken notion of a self. In
what way are other beings different from you? Try first to see them as equal to yourself
and to love them as much as you love yourself until, finally, you can love beings better
than yourself. Try to wish constantly, however much you are suffering, that, even so,
all the sufferings of all sentient beings may come to you and that all your causes of
happiness may be given to them. And you should always wish that the merit gained
through this should be benefit to all beings.
The practice for realizing Emptiness, the Absolute Enlightenment-mind, has two
parts; the practice of concentration and the analysis of experience, which shows us
clearly the Madhyamika experience. But these practices need some lengthier
explanation and I cannot deal with them adequately here. But, before and after
every practice, you must take Refuge and share the merit.
Q. If things and mind don't exist, what are appearances? Where do they being and
where do they end?
A. They have no beginning. There is an end, though, when you achieve Enlightenment.
This is an illusion, unreal, like a dream. Where does the dream arise? Where does it
go? It is like that. This is a long dream.
Q. So what are appearances?
A. This is a long dream.
Q. Love and compassion are good, but doesn't there come a point when it is better
to be angry with people? Is anger ever justified?
A. Maybe, if the intension is white, even though the action is black. Even if you
are angry, if it is with the thought of benefitting a being, your anger arises from
compassion, and whatever arises out of compassion is good. If the root is medicinal,
even if the fruit appears bad, it will be medicinal.
Q. Buddhism is often thought of as leading to negative and passive behavior.
A. This is true if you enter and abide in Liberation. But if you enter the Great Way,
instead of selfish desire for liberated quiescence, you have compassion which is the
active desire for the benefit of all beings.
Q. Buddhism is sometimes said to be atheistic because it holds that there is no God.
A. Buddhism does not believe in a God as the creator of the world and, in that sense,
you might say it is atheistic. If, however, God is something else, a divine compassion
or a divine wisdom, manifest in the form of a deity, you might say that Buddhism is
not atheistic but polytheistic.
Q. If there really is no self, than what is reborn?
A. The continuum of mind, the serial mind-stream of a person and the results of his
deeds give rise to a new being. In any case, rebirth is a relative truth. The interpretation
of relative truth differs from school to school, from religion to religion. The Madhyamika
believes the relative to be whatever we see, without examination: the view of ordinary
people. Relatively, there is rebirth, but not ultimately.
Q. How did the 'Madhyamika' philosophy arise? Isn't it later than the Buddha's time?
A. Of course it is Buddhist: it is the actual meaning of the Prajnaparamita Sutras,
where it is clearly said that anyone who follows extremes will never be free from
suffering. The extremes are of positive and negative, of belief in existence and
non-existence, and the like. The philosophy is developed from the Sutras which
were taught by the Buddha.
Q. If we don't accept the existence of beings, since all things are emptiness, what
reason do we have for being compassionate?
A. Everything is not just emptiness; emptiness is also a wrong view, an extreme -
the true nature of things is away from extremes. In order to realize this, you have
to accumulate a great deal of merit and the best way to do this is to practice love
and compassion for all sentient beings. Until this merit has been accumulated,
the understanding of Emptiness will not arise.
"THE GURU HAS A TREMENDOUS RESPONSIBILITY"
Q. What is 'Mantrayana', Your Holiness?
A. Mantrayana or Tantra, actually is method. The first intentions, and the final goal,
are exactly the same as they are in Mahayana, but since the Mantrayana is direct,
more intelligent has more methods, it reaches the same destination from the same
starting place much more quickly: the difference is as between travelling by train and
aeroplane. The Mahayana practices consist mainly of meditation through thinking
about things, but in the Mantrayana, our bodies are also extensively used. By knowing
and using our bodies, we can reach our destination much more quickly. Now, many
things are required for an aeroplane to fly, such fuel, wind, the design of the machine,
and so on, and in the same way, when we try to attain realization in the Mantrayana
we practice not only in thought: we visualize different Mandalas, repeat Mantras, and
so on, and you can say that if these practices are correctly followed, realization will
Q. Is this the only difference between Mahayana and Mantrayana?
A. The Mahayana is called the "Cause Yana", the Causal Path, and the Mantrayana
is called the Result Path. In the Mahayana, you work only to create the right causes
by practicing giving, moral conduct and so on. These practices are very valuable and
correct, but they are still very different from the immense qualities of the Buddha. But
in Mantrayana, you image yourself right from the beginning in the form of the result
- the Buddha, in one form of another. By this practice, the result - which is the same as
the practice - will arise and consequently Mantrayana is called the Result Path. Right
from the beginning, you think of yourself as the Buddha with all the qualities, the
thirty-two major signs, the eighty minor signs and so on.
Q. Is it not wrong to think of ourselves as the Buddha?
A. Indeed not. It is said in Mahayana, too, of course, that the nature of our mind, of
our entire organism, is actually Buddha, and always has been. However, we have not
realized this and we are wrapped up in an illusion, so consequently we suffer. If the
obscurations and defilements were intrinsically part of our mind, purification would
not be possible. Coal will not become white, however much we wash it, but since
the nature of mind is pure, it can be purified. Since other beings have attained
Enlightenment, it is clear that it is possible for us, too, that our minds can also be
The way Mantrayana deals with this problem is as follows: there are five races,
or types, of persons. Actually there are hundreds and thousands of different types,
but they can all be included in five categories, These five, in fact, can also be included
in one, which is Vajradhara, but, in general, it is convenient to think of five. These
five we imagine in a Mandala, which is a celestial mansion of certain proportions and
decorations, surrounded by fire. The Buddha in the centre is dark blue and is called
Akshobhya, 'the Unshakable One'. In the East is white Buddha Vairocana, 'the One
Who Creates Appearances'. In the South is yellow Ratnasambhava, 'the One Who
has the Nature of the Gem'. In the West is red Amitabha, 'Limitless Light', and in
the North is green Amoghasiddhi, 'the One Who is Skilled in Accomplishing all
Possible Works'. They all look like Shakyamuni Buddha except they have different
Mudras or gestures of the hands. Akshobhya touches the earth in the Bhumisparsha
mudra; Vairocana's hands are in the gesture of teaching; Ratnasambhava displays
the gesture of giving, Amitabha, the gesture of meditation; while Amoghasidhi holds
up his hand to show the crossed Vajra, the mudra of fearlessness. Each of these five
has specific qualities, but each is also relatedto the five most common defilements
we are afflicted with: the blue Akshobhya to anger, red Amitabha to passion and
desire, green Amoghasiddhi to envy, white Vairocana to ignorance, and yellow
Ratnasambhava to pride and avarice. These colors are clearly related to the
corresponding defilements. In English, you say 'green with envy' while passion is
associated with red and anger with dark blue. We can clearly see these characteristics
of the five races in individuals: an individual who is dark in complexion, who may
have a mark on his person resembling a vajra and who is often angry, is of the race
Akshobhya. (The vajra is the sign of Akshobhya.) Since there is a complete link
of cause and effect, that person will succeed particularly easily and will if he practices
the path related to Akshobhya. You see, the Buddha Akshobhya represents the
complete transformation of anger. In Mantrayana, we never regard any defilement,
such as anger or desire, as something to be repressed. Instead. the energies tied
up in the defilement are purified and result in one of the five Buddhas, each of whom
is characterized by a certain type of wisdom. This is another reason why the Mantrayana
is the 'Result Path'.
In fact, there is no impurity, of course. The impurities appear because we have not
yet realized the truth and we are still thinking in terms of subject-and-object. So we can
say that impurities also come from delusion.
Q. How do we practice this Path?
A. Although this Path is obviously superior, it is not easy to understand correctly.
For a start, we must be certain of our practice of pure resolve, the Bodhicitta, and
only then can we receive the teachings of the five Buddhas, in one of the many forms
they take to suit our own individual nature. This teaching is given in the form of an
Empowerment which is called a Wang in Tibetan. It means a 'Consecration' or
'Initiation'. This empowerment is a transmission, and it is necessary to receive it
from a qualified Guru, and then to study, think about it and meditate on it in order
to achieve the final result. After receiving the Consecrations, one must carry out
the daily practice without fail, and learn to think very clearly and completely of
oneself as identified with the final result. Then, because of the connection between
cause and result, the result will naturally arise.
Q. This transmission is important?
A. Transmission from the Guru is particularly important in Mantrayana. The Guru
transmits the teaching to you, and he is part of an unbroken successsion of teachers
which goes right back to the original Buddha, Vajradhara, from whom the teachings
arose in the first place. Even in the Mahayana, you cannot practice without guidance,
and this is particularly true of Mantrayana.
Q. Does this mean that we will not get the result unless we receive the teaching
in this way?
A. Of course we will not. No one can get anything merely by studying a text. You
must first receive the teaching in an oral tradition which goes back to Vajradhara
and this direct unbroken blessing of the teaching line must be received first; without
this special blessing, no ripening wil occur. Although most of the teachings have now
ben written down, you must first receive them orally; then you can study them.
Q. So the Guru is very essential?
A. It is said in the Tantras that the Guru is the source of all Siddhis, or spiritual
accomplishments. So it is important to find a guru, and, generally, it is necessary
to find the right Guru, the one who has all the qualifications to teach Tantra. In
particular, it is necessary for you to find the Lama with whom you have a particular
connection by Karma. For instance, when Milarepa first heard of Marpa, he felt a
particularly urgent desire to meet him immediately. Or when Tsarchen heard of
the great Sakya teacher, Doringpa, he felt a special urge to meet him as quickly
as possible. When you find this Guru, you must receive a transmission and
explanation from him. In Tantra, it is necessary to receive the Wang, the
empowerment, the transmission or Consecration. Wang is the door to Tantra.
Without Wang there is nothing you can do. Wang is like fertilising the ground
and planting the seed. It creates the right conditions. After receiving the Wang,
it is only a matter of looking after the seed to see that the crop grows.
Q. How can you recognize the Guru with whom you have a Karmic link?
A. In some cases there is a clear sign. In Tsarchen's case, a woman appeared to him
while meditating in a cave. At that time, he was a Gelugpa monk. She gave him a book
and told him to find Doringpa. He found Doringpa in Sakya, and discovered that
the book he had been given had come from Doringpa's library. The woman was a
manifestation of Vajra Yogini, a female deity. Tsarchen practiced her meditation, in
particular, after receiving it from Doringpa, and achieved great realization. Generally,
however, if you feel a particular urge to meet or communicate with a certain Lama,
a feeling of something happening when you meet him, this is a good indication.
It can also be discovered by prediction. When I was very young, my aunt asked
some monks to do a form of prediction involving a mirror. They saw a strange Lama
in the mirror and myself in front of him. The Lama has long ears and the space
between his upper lip and nose was also very wide. He had a scar. We didn't know
who it could be, but later discovered it was Khyentse Rinpoche.
Q. Does this mean that we can only get good results with a Lama with whom we
have a Karmic link?
A. No, not necessarily. In my case, I was unable to receive a great deal of teaching
from Khyentse Rinpoche. Any qualified Guru is good, but there is a special one who
can help you more than any other.
Q. Is it right for a Guru to make extravagant demands on his disciples?
A. Yes. For instance when Marpa was teaching Lama Ngog, he asked him if he had
brought all his wealth. Ngog replied that he had left behind only one lame old goat.
Marpa sent him back to fetch it. Marpa said, though an old lame goat made no
difference to him: he had demanded it only to uphold the dignity of the teaching. If
you have to offer everything, you must hold back nothing. But the relationship of
Guru and disciple is not the relation of master and a servant. It is the relationship
of a father and son. It is a spiritual relationship, but it must be as warm and close as
the relationship of a father and his son. The Guru has a tremendous responsibility
to care for his sons who, in their turn must follow all the teachings they are given,
and keep all their vows.
Q. What are the vows involved?
A. They are far from simple. After receiving the Wang, there are many vows to
keep, in addition to daily practice and study. If you have already received the
Pratimoksha vows of the Hinayana code, you must keep these and, then in
addition to the Mahayana vows, you must keep the Tantric vows which are very
important. Without keeping these, no practice will be effective. The vows are
given to create the right conditions for caring the seed planted during consecration.
The vows must be kept properly and daily practice must be performed with its
visualizations and mantra recitations and meditation on the two stages of Kyerim
(Process of Creation) and Dzogrim (Process of Completion).
Q. What actually is a Tantric Deity?
A. There are limitless living beings with different tastes, backgrounds, ideas and
dispositions, so in order to suit different types, the Transcendental Wisdom, or
Buddha, or whatever you prefer to call it, has taken different shapes. For instance,
people who have much desire meditate on deities embracing. People who have
much hatred meditate on deities in a wrathful, angry form. People who have much
ignorance meditate on very elaborate deities with many jewels and ornaments. But
actually they are all the same Transcendental Wisdom appearing in different forms
to suit different types of people.
Q. What is the connection between Tantric teaching and the historical Buddha?
A. We call the historical buddha the 'common' Buddha and the tantric Buddhas are
'non-common', but many of the Tantras were recited by the historical Buddha. The
Hevajra Tantra is one of these.
Q. What is Mahamudra?
A. Mahamudra is the Transcendental Wisdom you realize after practicing Kyerim
and Dzog-rim. Kyerim is the process of creation: you visualize a mandala arising
out of a letter, you visualize it peopled with deities. Dzog-rim means the stage of
completion. This is usually at the end of the practice. You imagine everything being
absorbed back into the original letter and then that, too, disappears. Actually
Kyerim purifies birth and Dzog-rim purifies death.
Q. What are main Sakya practices?
A. The main Sakya practice is Lamdre, or 'Path-Result' which covers the Hinayana,
Mahayana and Mantrayana. It comes to us through Virupa, a great Indian saint who
lived in 650 A.D., and it was brought to Tibet by the translator, Drogmi, who died in
1072. It is based on the consecration and practices of the Hevajra Tantra and includes
the philosophy of Tantra as well as all the Yogic practices such as 'Inner Heat' breathing
yoga, bodily positions, the yoga of dreams, Pho-wa or 'Transference of Consciousness',
Bardo practices and so on. The entire teaching takes three months to give. Then we
practice on a very special, very esoteric teaching of Naropa, a Vajra-Yogini teaching
with eleven yogas. Then we have many teachings of Mahakala, we have Vajrakila,
which comes from the original Nyingma tradition of my family; Sarvavidya, which is
particularly helpful for the dying and the dead; Vajra-Bhairava, a wrathful form of
Manjushri; the 'Thirteen Golden Teachings' that belong only to the Sakya Order,
and many others. But Lamdre contains everything.
Q. In the Western concept of morality, sexual energies are usually regarded as a
hinderance to the spiritual path. Does Tantra mean the acceptance of these energies
and can they really help us along the Path?
A. If they are rightly used: if used by the right persons, at the right time and
correctly, they can be a very great help. The story is often told of King Indrabhuti,
who told Shakyamuni Buddha that he would rather be reborn as a wolf in the jungle
than undertake a spiritual Path which demanded the renunciation of worldly things,
so the Buddha gave him a special teaching, the Guhyasamaja teaching, of which
we still have the transmission. Mere external renunciation is, of course, of little
use; one can renounce something externally and still be very attached to it! True
renunciation is the renunciation of attachment. In any case, King Indrabhuti was
of the very highest type of person and he and his entire court actually attained
Enlightenment while the Buddha was giving them the teaching!
However, most Tantric practitioners are, of course, monks who are not allowed
worldly pleasures and who must, of course be celibate. King Indrabhuti attained
Enlightenment immediately, but we have only to read the story of Milarepa to see
the difficulties that even gifted individuals undergo.
Q. What dangers are ther in incorrect practice?
A. "If something goes wrong in Tantra, there is only one direction: down to hell."
Practicing Tantra is like being a snake in a bamboo tube: it can only go up or down.
It is necessary to find a good Guru and practice the teaching very carefully.
Q. Why does Tantra involve so much secrecy?
A. I think that, generally, it is to avoid creating disbelief in, or even aversion to,
Tantric teachings. If people hear things at the wrong time or without proper
explanation, they may be shocked and think that Tantra is a bad thing and lose
faith in the Tantric Path. Also, if people see Mandalas and perhaps read Mantras
in books, they may be tempted to try and practice by themselves, which is a very
serious mistake. In Tantra you cannot do anything by yourself. Everything must
be handed on to you by the Guru.
Q. Is Tantra more than just ritual?
A. Ritual is only a small part of Tantra. The main practice is one's daily meditation,
visualization and recitation, the practice of physical yogas, breathing yogas and so on.
Q. What is the result?
A. Generally the result is the Three, or Four, or Five Bodies (Kayas) of the Buddha.
These are included in Three Kayas; two Rupa or 'form' Kayas, and one is a spiritual
'Body'. This latter is called Dharmakaya, the 'Body of Reality', it is the continuation
of the mind which has been completely transformed, which has become completely
inseparable from Shunyata. The Sambhogakaya, the 'Body of Bliss' is the 'Body'
that dwells permanently in the Akanishtha Buddhafield, giving teaching to the great
Bodhisattvas. The Nirmanakaya, or 'Illusory Body', is of different types, but the
Excellent Nirmanakaya is one like the historical Buddha who appeared among us in
India. These 'Bodies' result from the transformation of our present organism. Our
present body becomes the Rupakaya and our present mind becomes the Dharmakaya
or 'Body of Reality'.
"THE BUDDHA SEES THAT EGO DOES NOT EXIST ANYWHERE"
Q. It is said that the most important quality needed for successfully practicing 'Dharma'
is great faith. What kind of faith is needed? Why is faith so important?
A. Of course faith is very important but it is not the only important thing. It is the
beginning. Without it, you cannot achieve good results. For instance, if the seed is
burnt, you cannot grow a crop. No matter how much you practice Dharma, you will
not get any result without faith. But it is not a blind faith that is required. Generally,
there are said to be three types of faith: firstly 'voluntary faith', which means that
you perceive so many excellent qualities in the Triple Gem that you wish to accept
it in order to benefit all sentient beings; secondly, 'clear faith', which means that,
seeing the great, good qualities of the Buddha, your mind becomes clear and certain;
and thirdly is the 'faith of confidence', which means that you accept the Buddhist
teachings as valid, such as the Four Noble Truths, and so on: your study these teachings
and conclude that they are correct.
Q. So faith is not just a matter of accepting certain dogma?
A. No, no, certainly not.
Q. The teaching of rebirth is unfamiliar to the West. Can one practice Dharma
effectively if one does not accept rebirth?
A. According to our definition of the practice of Dharma, no. We say that, whatever
you practice, however high or good it may be, it is not Dharma if it is just intended for
this life. Dharma is what you practice for the next life, so the idea of rebirth cannot
be separated from the idea of Dharma. The law of Karma is an intrinsic part of Dharma
and future rebirth is the result of present causes.
Q. Many people in the West might deny the universality of suffering.
A. Buddhists however say that, wherever you are in Worldly Existence, there is
suffering. It is wrong to ignore the continual presence of suffering. One should not
hide from suffering; one should know its cause and try to avoid creating the causes
Q. What is the "anatma" or "ego-lessness" doctrine taught by the Buddha?
A. The Buddha sees that ego does not exist anywhere. Mind is not ego, body is not
ego; ego is just a name given to a grouping of things: form, perception, feeling, impulses
and consciousness all together. So, in reality, when you examine in order to find what
it is we call ego, there is nothing. Ego is just a name given to a collection of things.
Q. Even though we have no immortal soul, doesn't ego exist in some way?
A. No, ego never exists, but the continuity of mind exists.
Q. Whence does our strong sense of ego arise?
A. Since beginningless time, we have been born in Worldly Existence with a very
strong habit of thinking that the continuum of mind is our own ego, and we have
lived with a very strong attachment to it.
Q. So ego is only a habit of thought?
Q. Some Westerners think that death is complete annihilation.
A. That is not right: when you die your body ends, but your mind still continues.
Q. If there is no ego, what continues?
A. The continnum of the mind: it is like a rosary - all the beads are different, but it
is the same rosary.
Q. What is mind?
A. There are many parts to it, but there is a very basic aspect which we call Kun-Shi,
(Alayavijnana). Literally, this means 'foundation of all' and it is a luculent 'self-seeing'.
It is the base on which Worldly Existence and Liberation arise. It is actually unobstructed
mind, that part of mind which doesn't grasp at outer objects. It is luculent and continues
right from beginningless time until Enlightenment is reached.
Q. This mind is also non-existent in the Absolute?
A. Relatively it exists, of course. Ultimately, it is Shunyata, but relatively it exists. In
reality, you cannot not say it exist or doesn't exist.
Q. Is it individual or is it a kind of collective consciousness, a common basis of
all individual minds?
A. It is individual.
Q. What distinguishes followers of the Mahayana from followers of Hinayana?
A. There are differences, but the main thing is that one who wishes to get
Enlightenment for the benefit of all sentient beings belongs to the Mahayana.
Q. Is compassion for all living beings just a matter of feeling sorry for them?
A. No. Compassion is a thought, the wish for beings to be free from suffering.
Q. Does compassion have to involve understanding the cause of suffering, or is
it just a matter of feeling?
A. I think both are involved. Compassion has three phases: the wish that the cause
of their sufferings be removed, and the wish that beings should become freed from
suffering by understanding the true nature of all things. The practice of compassion
clearly involves an understanding of the cause of suffering.
Q. The meditation for arousing compassion is based upon a reflection of the
kindness of our mother. What should we do if our mother was not kind?
A. Every mother can be considered as kind. It is a great kindness that she gave you
a human body. That is enough for you to consider her as kind. If the meditation is
difficult, you should always try to think of her kind actions and good qualities until the
feeling of love arises.
Q. Your Holiness has said that our sense of 'I' is really an illusion. If this is so,
why is it difficult for us to see this?
A. As I said earlier, from very beginningless time, through lives we have built up
propensities which are reinforced by every act that assumes 'I' is real; these
propensities make it very difficult for us to realize the illusory nature of 'I'.
Q. Seeing the unreality of ego is like breaking a bad habit?
Q. Your Holiness has said that the teaching of rebirth is a relative truth and that
many things exist relatively but not ultimately; what is this distinction between
relative and ultimate truth?
A. Yes, there are two truths, relative and ultimate. Relatively we suffer, relatively
there is cause, path and result. But in the experience of ultimate truth, nothing can
be said to exist, nor not exist, nor both together, nor either. These are what we call
the four objectionable extremes; they are objectionable in the sense that valid
logical objections can be raised to all four possibilities.
Q. Can ultimate truth be expressed in words?
A. No, although it can be described to some extent. However, in fact, it can only be
realized and experienced.
Q. Is the "Madhyamika" doctrine of emptiness taught by all schools of Tibetan
Buddhism and is their teaching the same?
A. Yes, they all teach the same thing, but their ways of teaching differ. They all have
their own qualities and all achieve the same result.
Q. Do followers of Mantrayana accept all the Mahayana teachings?
A. Yes, Mantrayana accepts all Mahayana teachings. It is distinguished by the greater
variety of methods, the use of a more direct methods to attain the truth.
Q. What is the significance of the 'Vajra' and bell used in Tantric meditations
A. Each has many facets, but they are mainly symbolic of method and wisdom,
which are of equal importance on our Path; they also represent masculine and
Q. Ritual is important in Tibetan Buddhist practice: what is its use?
A. Ritual is very important and, through it practice, much progress may be made.
However, it is not necessary for everybody to perform elaborate rituals. Only the
Vajra and bell are necessary and mudras.
Q. Why are "mudras" important?
A. They are very significant, externally and internally, and are very helpful in
visualization practices. They also have much power in themselves, to protect,
to receive blessings, to heal.
Q. What qualities are required before one can give "Wangs"?
A. Three types of Guru are described in the Tantras. The highest type is one who has
really seen the deity as clearly as we would see another person. The second type is one
who has received some sign of spiritual accomplishment, at least some sign, even
perhaps in a deam. The third type, which is usual these days, is the Guru who has
received all the necessary wangs and teachings from a proper Guru, and who has
performed the retreats of certain major deities, who learned all the rituals, the mudras,
the arrangement of the Mandala, and so on. Then only can he give Wangs.
Q. Is it good enough to receive the teaching from a Guru of the third type?
A. Yes, it makes some connection, even if it is not so close as the first type.
The first type of Guru can introduce you to the deity as he would to a friend!
Q. What is a meditation retreat?
A. There are many different kinds. You can have a simple retreat when you practice
the meditations on love, compassion and the resolve to win enlightenment. In Tantric
meditation you visualize the deities, recite the mantras, or simply meditate on shunyata.
There are many practices.
Q. Why are 'retreats' so important?
A. Through meditative retreats, you attain Enlightenment. Without performing
many retreats, it is not possible to attain Enlightenment. It is well known that in
Tibet many yogis spent years in solitary retreat for this purpose; some still do so
in India. Unless you had the very highest qualities, it would not be possible to
attain Enlightenment in this life without performing long retreats.
Q. In Mantrayana practice, does it matter which deity one meditates on?
A. It is best to meditate on a deity with which one has a karmic connection. This is
called a Yidam, or 'Patron Deity'.
Q. Can every deity be a 'Yidam'?
A. Not all. The Protectors cannot be Yidams. There is a class of deities which are
yidams, and among these will be one with whom you have a particular connection.
Q. Can Bodhisattvas like Manjushri and Avalokiteshvara be 'Yidams'?
A. Yes, they have boths forms, as Bodhisattvas and as Yidams.
Q. What qualities are required of us before we can take 'wangs'?
A. Many different qualities of the worthy disciple are described, but the main qualities
are faith, compassion and Bodhicitta. People without a developed Bodhicitta are not
allowed to take major consecrations, the consecrations of deities like Hevajra.
Q. Is it still a matter of luck, even if one has developed 'Bodhicitta' to find a Guru?
A. No, one has to search. One can always find a Guru from whom to receive teachings.
Q. What should a person do if he doesn't find a Guru?
A. He should search more!
Q. What is the 'Anuttarayogatantra'?
A. There are four classes of Tantra of which Anuttarayoga is the very highest.
Briefly, it is the practice in which every act of one's life - even eating, bathing,
and so on - everything that you do, every action in Worldly Existence both
during your meditation and whilte you are not meditating, everything, every action
is transformed into the Path.
Q. Does Buddhist practice mean we have to renounce the material world?
A. According to Hinayana and Mahayana, yes - but according to Mantrayana, not
Q. By renunciation, you mean going to the mountains and living like a hermit?
Can we continue to live in cities and still practice?
A. Certainly, in Mantrayana. This is why the Lord Buddha taught the Mantrayana
to King Indrabhuti.
Q. Why then is monasticism important?
A. Monasticism is important to keep the tradition alive, to keep the teaching
properly. When you stay in the world you can still practice, perhaps very
effectively, but generally there is too much potential for distraction in the
material world, and lay people don't have the time to practice properly or to
study the teachings effectively. They have too many other things to attend to.
Monks have a much better opportunity to practice and study Dharma, as they
have nothing else to attend to.